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Episode 153 MACI ONO ( Fitness Influencer )
Meet Maci Ono, a fitness influencer who transformed her body and discovered that the physical journey was only half the story. In this raw conversation, Maci reveals how she went from 250 pounds to losing 100 pounds—and the surprising darkness she found at her "after" photo.
"I felt like a prisoner to my health when I was at my biggest, and then it's funny because I felt even more like a prisoner when I was at my smallest," Macy shares, pulling back the curtain on the mental health challenges that weight loss influencers rarely discuss. From obsessive calorie tracking that kept her from social gatherings for a year to struggles with loose skin, Maci's journey illuminates the complex relationship between physical transformation and mental wellbeing.
What makes Maci's story powerful is her approach to sustainable change. Unlike previous attempts driven by self-hatred, this time she built her transformation on self-love: "I love myself, so I'm going to work out. I love myself, so I feed myself good foods." She emphasizes the 80/20 rule—eating whole foods most of the time while still enjoying life's pleasures—and calls out the "propaganda bullshit" of restrictive diets that set people up for failure.
Beyond fitness advice, this episode offers a thought-provoking look at how society treats people differently based on their appearance. Maci describes the resentment she initially felt when noticing how differently people interacted with her after weight loss, and how this experience now fuels her commitment to treating everyone with kindness regardless of shape or size.
Whether you're on your own fitness journey or simply interested in the psychology behind physical transformation, Maci's perspective will change how you think about before-and-after photos forever. Subscribe to the Above the Bridge Podcast wherever you listen to podcasts and follow @Maci.Onolicious on Instagram to continue following Maci's inspiring journey.
okay, welcome to another edition of the above the bridge podcast. I'm your host, thaddeus park. If this is your first time checking out our podcasts, just a heads up. You can find us wherever you get your podcasts apple, spotify, iheart radio, pandora wherever you get your podcasts Apple, spotify, iheartradio, pandora wherever you get your podcasts, we'll be there. Just type in Above the Bridge Podcast. You can find us on YouTube and our website is atbpodcom. Okay, this week my guest is somebody I met at the gym and I always get inspired by different people and I always try to talk as talk to as much people as I can, but this individual. I got to know her a little bit and she told me her backstory and it immediately inspired me and I knew I had to get her on the show because I feel like her story can help a lot of people. She's a influencer, she's a I don't even know what to call you like a fitness guru.
Speaker 1:I don't know something cool.
Speaker 2:I don't put a label on it yeah, but Macy Ono, um, thank you for coming on my show. I'm so happy to have you on.
Speaker 1:I'm happy to be here. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it a lot yeah, this will be fun.
Speaker 2:Like I said, I met you you were working at 24 Hour Fitness. You were working at 24 Hour Fitness in Kaneohe when I first met you and you was always like the nice, bubbly, pleasant person that you first encounter when you walk into the gym and you always seem super cool and I like I had no idea, um, like, who you were. That's how I met you and it's been cool to get to know your, your journey and to see you at working out. Um, you're a beast like you work out like. Uh, I mean, I'm sure you see it right, there's a lot of girls that come there and they take like three pictures in their cute little lululemon stuff and then they dig out and it's like you didn't even work out.
Speaker 2:Like you are, you get, you get after it. Um, let's see, like, where do we start?
Speaker 2:I still take the pictures too, so yeah, yeah, you do and you make it cool, is, um, I guess, right? Yeah, I think that the the difference is is that you get after it, but, um, I don't even know where to start. I always thought that, uh, you were just a in shape person from for always and you had a, a story that you shared on instagram that totally caught me by surprise, like, and it was a video of you when you were um heavier.
Speaker 1:To the point where, when you I watched the video, I didn't even know that was you at first and I was like, oh, this is yeah everyone says that they're like yeah people they look at pictures and they're like that's not you, or like when I used to, when I used to first work out there when I was bigger, like I was 100 pounds heavier, right, like what, two years ago. And then there's some people who was like they. I seen them.
Speaker 1:I recognize them right, because you see the same people every day and then it's so funny because there's been a couple people that is like that was you, like you were that girl. We thought she stopped coming and I'm like no, that was me. And it's so funny because in my brain I don't see too much of a difference. It's just like an in-your-mind thing, like the dysmorphia, whatever you want to call it. So it's funny when people are like I didn't recognize you.
Speaker 2:Or like I didn't realize that was you. You know well, I think it's a skin and and. But yeah, you decided at one point of your in your life like okay, I'm gonna change things up, I want something different. And I mean 100 pounds like this. Think about it like if you were to just carry a 100 pound bag of rice, like that's a lot. You know what I mean. Like yeah, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sometimes I'm just like squatting or like if I'm doing RDLs, right, and it's like a hundred pounds or like close to that, I just like. Sometimes I just like catch myself off guard. I'm like, oh, I used to like walk around with this and this is heavy like, and in my brain like it was so normal. That's what my body was used to like carrying and I carry it now and I'm like, oh, my gosh, like that's insane to me, like I was walking around with all that extra weight, you know.
Speaker 2:Well, let's back it up. I want to know, like, what made you decide like, okay, I'm going gonna change some stuff up and I'm gonna try and go on this um, body transformation, health fitness journey?
Speaker 1:well, ever since I was like really little, like I'd say around like third, fourth grade, that's when I kind of started gaining weight and, like you know, I was always like the bigger girl. I was always like the chubbier, like you know, and so, like you're young, I was elementary, middle school, I was always bigger. But then it's like I was just like you know, I was always like the bigger girl, I was always like the chubbier, like you know, and so, like you're young, I was elementary, middle school, I was always bigger, but then it's like I was just like you know, maybe it's just baby fat, whatever Got into high school the weight kept coming on and then around, like my sophomore year, I had jumped from one, I was like one, nine, one, eighty, like sophomore year, like end of freshman year, and I dropped all the way to like 110 pounds and that first weight drop I ever did that was not healthy at all, like that was. Like I did that not in a good way, like I wasn't going to the gym I wasn't, you know, it wasn't good. And then, because I was so restrictive and that's why I like advocate a lot for like people who struggle with eating or anything like that, like mentally, I had dropped all that weight and then, because I was so restrictive with how I ate, I spiked to my heaviest.
Speaker 1:Where I'm big, that was at my heaviest because I like had dropped so small restrictively that I had just thought fell into like binge eating and I overdid it. And I got to my heaviest at 250, was in a super dark place, and then I just felt so uncomfortable, like in my body, just I felt so like you know, like I, I still wore what I wanted to wear, but I, I, at the same time I felt like I had so many limitations on myself, you know, like with what I wanted to do, like and just whatever. And so I just knew that like fuck, I need to lose the weight, but I don't want to lose it in an unhealthy way, like I did before, like I cannot do it this time out of a place of hatred. And that's, I think, the first time I had lost the weight. It was like it was because I like hated myself. I was like I don't like the way I look, like I always grew up fat, and so I fell into like really bad habits, like they weren't healthy, and I forced myself into losing weight out of hatred to myself.
Speaker 1:And this time around, like when you saw me working at the gym and I was going through my weight loss journey, like I, definitely like. That's why I always preach so hard about like I don't restrict myself anymore. Like I, you know, I still eat what I want, I still go to the night markets, like you know, and. But it's all about balance. Like I, still I'm in the gym busting my ass five days a week, but it's like it's still a balance where I'm not like I know how to feel myself. Now I know how to.
Speaker 1:Like, you know, I'm doing it out of love. Where it's like I love myself, so I'm going to work out. I love myself, so I feed myself good foods, like nutrient dense foods, you know. Like nutrient dense foods, you know. And so that's why this time around, like to me, I I'm proud to say like I lost 100 pounds, but to me, that's not the real flex for me, my flex is that I'm keeping it off, you know, because I truly believe that, like anybody who wants it bad enough, anybody can lose the weight.
Speaker 1:Right. You want it bad enough, it's really you, the weight right. If you want it bad enough. It's really you're just in a calorie deficit, you know that's it. But I think for me it's really the biggest flex is when you can keep it off because you're doing things that are sustainable. It's not just a quick fad diet, it's not just a quick fix, because good things take time and you know, it's not just small, it's like a whole lifestyle change and I had to change everything about my life, my routines, like everything that brought me comfort before. I had to throw out the window, you know, and so that's like a little insight to everything that's crazy.
Speaker 2:Well, how did you know or get the knowledge to? Okay, I gotta work out this way. How did you even know how to work out? But also, how did you know how to create a diet?
Speaker 1:so, basically, when I first started, um, I just I didn't track anything, like I kind of was just eating more healthier, right, like, and I think everybody falls into this when they first want to lose weight, they're like, okay, I'm gonna cut carbs, right. So I kind of was doing that, like I wasn't eating as much rice, whatever. But I'm so grateful for, like, social media. Like there is a lot of dark sides to social media, but social media can be so powerful, like when you are on the right pages and you are like following the right influencers, like I truly cannot, would not have made it without all of these like content creators who educate other people like with what they've learned, like they've done trial and error right and truthfully. Like it's all like from TikTok and from Instagram and just my own.
Speaker 1:Like deep diving in research that I found like tips, tricks, you know, different workouts. I started working at the gym and so, with that, like I had resources like my co-workers they're all like trainers resources like my co-workers, they're all like trainers. And so, basically, if I ever had a question, like there, my co-workers were there, or just even like people like you, like in the gym, I, that always made me feel comfortable there, like I always ask for help and just relying on my gym community, relying on social media and you know yeah, that's super cool.
Speaker 2:That's good because I agree the social media now can work both ways. It could be a dark place, but it's very educational if you seek it out. Did you map out like your okay, so you, you map out your goals and your diet and all that, like you literally write it down and stuff, or like you just kind of came up with the game plan. I was like, okay, today I'm gonna do this. Today I'm gonna do this oh well.
Speaker 1:So, like in the beginning, I I always tell people, like, when they come to me for advice to lose weight, it's funny because I tell them.
Speaker 1:I don't tell them to do what I did, which is kind of ironic because it's it's like for me when I first started, like my personality, I'm very like, if I decide I'm gonna do something, like I'm gun whole like all the way, 100%, like sprinting in that direction, you know um, but I do tell people that, like for me when I first started, I just all I told myself was okay, you're gonna go to the gym at least five times a week, you're gonna lift weights, right, and I, I basically I always say, like, when you want something bad enough, you'll make it happen.
Speaker 1:You know, if it's like on the very top of your priority list, you make it happen. So I did all my own research. I spent hours like looking up different exercises, form, whatever, practicing it on my own research. I spent hours like looking up different exercises, form, whatever, practicing it on my own. Um, I build a workout plan like a simple, like gym bro, split right, push, pull legs and I was a six times a week workout plan and I told myself, I made a promise to myself.
Speaker 1:I just said, okay, you're gonna do it. Like I know, there's gonna be days you don't want to do it, you're gonna do it. There's gonna be days where you're gonna slip up. Do it, you're going to do it. There's going to be days where you're going to slip up on your diet, but you're not going to just give up, like one day messing up or missing one day at the gym. A lot of people, I think, mess up or like don't aren't successful in their weight loss is because they give up too easily. Like you can't expect it to be perfect. It just has to be consistent. No-transcript, your diet's not going to be perfect, your workouts aren't going to be perfect, and that's the thing is you just, every day, you have to just constantly pick yourself up and just know like the person that I want to be is going to be built because of like who I am, who I'm being today.
Speaker 1:You know, and the choices that I make today it's affecting me in the future. And that's just kind of what I constantly replayed in my brain is like, even when I was still like a hundred pounds heavier, 50 pounds heavier, I kept telling myself, like today's sacrifice is for you five months from now, is for you a year from now, that you won't see until that time comes, you know. And so, yeah, I just that's it that's awesome.
Speaker 2:You're right. Like a lot of people get discouraged, or I notice people stop when they don't see immediate results. So I worked out for two weeks and nothing happened. Like you got to give it more time. And I do know results is a positive motivator. So once you start seeing results then you're motivated to stick with it Because like, oh shit, it's working. I'm going to stick with it. How long did it take for you to start seeing the results of the work that you've been putting in? Want to shout out our sponsor, defend Hawaii. If you go to their store in Winter Mall, no one you can check out their new drops for summer. You can also go on their website, defendhawaiicom website. Defend hawaiicom. If you use promo code atb pod upon checkout, you'll get 15 off your entire purchase order. Go see what they have. They got some new stuff for summer. I always rock in defend hawaii wherever I go, so go take a look.
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Speaker 1:I wasn't tracking any calories or anything. I know you had mentioned the diet Cause plenty of people asked me to like share what I eat or like my diet plan. The thing is is like I mainly? My rule is like I try to eat whole foods, so like, if you can grow it or you can kill it like an animal, right, I try not to eat too many processed foods but, of course, like I'm human, like I love a good sweet treat, I love like chips.
Speaker 1:You know I'm still gonna treat myself to that, but like 80, the 80, like I think you've heard 80, 20 row right. So like 80 percent of the time you, the 20 percent of time you can treat yourself, and so I think that's why this time around, like my weight loss was was successful and it sticks, because before in the past I've always been very like black and white the way I think, and it was only until actually a year ago and this was after I already lost the weight that I changed my mindset because, to be honest, like I was in a very dark place at my heaviest but ironically, I got to an even lower place after I lost the weight oh really and that's like hard to, yeah, and it's so weird and and and it's funny because I talked to a lot of like other influencer friends I have who also are like weight loss influencers on tiktok or social media.
Speaker 1:That it's. It's so cool because I used to look up to some of these people and now, like I'm friends with them through social media but they agree it's like people talk about like oh, when you lose the weight, like you're going to feel happy, you're going to be. But it's kind of ironic because if you ask a lot of people who have lost the weight, it's, it's almost like you become more consumed with it and you end up becoming in a darker place. Like for me, I started tracking calories, right, yeah, and at first everything was cool because I'm like I I truly do believe like tracking calories is such a great tool. I think everyone should, at least if you're like a fitness person, like I think everyone should at least do it once in their life so you get an idea of what your body needs, like what a good plate looks like like having, like your carbs, fats and like protein, like what it looks like to eat, like you know what I mean For your body.
Speaker 1:But I think for some people like me who struggle with, like, disordered eating, I think it can be a little detrimental more than helpful. So for me, like in the beginning when I was tracking my calories, like I became so obsessed with it where I didn't go out to eat with friends or family for almost a full year like I didn't I yeah, and I knew that. Like that's not living your life. That's like that's not fitness, complimenting your life.
Speaker 1:That's fitness like was taking over my life you know, and that's why now it's like for me now I stopped tracking and I've I'd still go to therapy for like all of it, like the eating and all of that because I think when you do lose a bunch of weight, there's so much mental like.
Speaker 1:Everyone always talks about how, like the physical change of, like weight loss, but it is so mental and not enough people talk about that like how mental of a thing it is when it comes with like you know, you're scared to gain the weight back, so now you have fear around food, and then you're stuck with, like for me, like I have loose skin and so that's another total like hurdle too, that like you feel like you're stuck in a shell of your own body, and that's just a whole mental thing on its own, but it's just there's so many things that people don't really, yeah, that people don't think about when it comes to when you lose like a huge amount of weight, like if it's 20, 30 pounds that you're not gonna have like the loose skinner and all of that, but you probably will have some like eating fears and and you know what I mean like it will alter your brain a little yeah so I think that's mainly what I try to talk about, too, on my social media now.
Speaker 2:Well, I had no idea, or I would never have even thought about that, because I fluctuate in weight. I've competed in martial arts so I always had to cut weight. For me it was a mental thing, but it was just a test of my mental strength. So I always like, how you said is, I'm just gonna do this and I don't care. It's gonna happen. But I never thought about, yeah, how it could affect you mentally when it's off and you're Maybe scared or concerned that it's going to come back, where it's such a mind Thing on the daily Like, oh, if I eat this, then I might bounce back.
Speaker 2:That's kind of a crazy situation. Like I'm doing this carnivore diet now and I kind of find myself like, oh, shoot, if I eat a apple or a rice or something, that's like I'm gonna get kicked out of ketosis and and then it's like you know what? I don't give a shit. Like, if I'm gonna live like that, then I might as well isn't, isn't that? That's not me. It backfired I ate a whole shit ton of ice cream and cramped my legs yeah, it was. It was just bad that I had two big things where I just went. Yeah, I ate so much ice cream that I caught cramps and I couldn't get it out and my leg got black and blue. And then the second time I was in vegas and I love white castles, like love them, so I bought a case and I just mopped like 15 and out and my body hasn't had carbs for a while and, oh, I woke up at midnight oh yeah yeah, just threw everything up, but yeah other than that, like I'll
Speaker 2:have. I'll treat myself now and then and, like you said, I mentally I don't kind of let it affect me because I could see how it would. I, like you said, I never heard anybody talk about the mental aspect of it after you've lost it, because it's, it's a mental challenge just to lose it. I never thought about, okay, now I'm mentally in a in a weird place because I gotta make sure I don't gain it back. That's, that's very cool to talk about, I guess. Yeah, and I'm sure, like you said, you're not the only one that makes sense.
Speaker 1:So that's why. That's why I've been seeing you a lot in the gym. All the white castles, yeah.
Speaker 2:That's the shit, yeah, I love that stuff. But, yeah, I've Noticed something about you, your personality, and Since I met you just At the front of the desk, like you're always a personable person, very approachable, very, um, very open and very, very fun to be around. But since you kind of lost the weight, do you find that you got getting a lot more attention than you did when you were heavier?
Speaker 1:oh gosh, that's a great question, that that is like a topic that that I could talk about. I could all about that for like days, days, for real. But, um, it's funny because for me personally, like whether when I was bigger, like 100 pounds heavier, or me now, my like you know, like my bubbly, like I'm very outgoing, I'm very loud, like you know, people will tell you oh, you'll hear me at the gym before you see me. You know, like that's always been my personality, whether I was, whether I was big or small.
Speaker 1:And it's funny I definitely do get a lot more attention now Than when I was big. And it it's weird because I'm used to it now, like when I had first lost the weight because, remember, I told you like in high school I had lost a bunch of weight too, so I was smaller in like sophomore year, junior year, high school, and in that time too I also got like attention. Um, but this time around I just felt I've like I know, like I don't know how to explain this Like I've talked to other friends, like my other like weight loss influencer friends, and we've talked about this, and it's like as a woman, and then you lose all the weight and then you get not only male attention, but you get more attention from just people in general, like it could just be something as simple as you're in public and people like open the doors for you now more, or people acknowledge you, people smile at you now and it's things that you wouldn't think of, like yes and it.
Speaker 1:And for me, like because I always kind of grew up, you know, chubbier on the big side, like I didn't think anything of it, and so when I did lose the weight this time around, right, and I started posting on social media, I have have more of like a presence on social media.
Speaker 1:In the beginning, like maybe about a year and a half ago, I did grow like kind of a resentment towards people, like, not like it didn't change my personality, personality or like my, my heart or anything like that, but it definitely made me view everyone differently, because not only just guys hitting on me, but, just, like I said, simple things where it's like you know, people hold the doors open now for you, or people acknowledge you, like like I'll just be walking and people smile at me and before man, I was big, that probably wouldn't have happened where people are just smiling at me, right, or like people compliment me randomly and it's like it's just small things and then it makes you, like, when you do lose the weight, it makes you kind of realize, like how superficial people can be and like how the world, like everyone, is, so like it only matters what's on the outside, and I think that's why a huge part of me and the way that I act and hold myself is, I think, because I've been through that and I know that people just treat you how you look.
Speaker 1:That's why I try my hardest, like to care for everyone. Like I don't care what you look, like I don't care if you're blue or green or if you're big or you're small or whatever. Like I truly believe that unless, like if you've been in a situation or a spot where you have been on both sides of the spectrum, right of getting a lot of attention and then not getting it at all, it really gives you a different understanding and it I don't in a way, I wish everyone could experience it. You know what I mean. Just like because I think the world would just be a nicer place.
Speaker 2:It's so, yeah, that's that's. You hit it on the head. Honestly, I never would have thought of it that intricately, where you said like people will open the doors for you or smile at you and you probably it wouldn't have happened before. That's crazy to think and kind of disappointing.
Speaker 2:I've kind of had a similar situation, not being like heavy, coming smaller, but I was small and I was. I would be like when I went out I'd be like the the fly on the wall, nobody would notice me or nobody, nobody would come talk to me or whatever. And fortunately I was around a lot of popular people that had clout and they were nightclub promoters. And then I started meeting a lot of people and then I became a nightclub promoter, opened my own nightclub promotion company, which was super successful. But then I started meeting a lot of people and then all these girls that would never give me the time of day or wouldn't even look my way are wanting to hang out with me, wanting to cruise or just call me up or just wanting to be around me, and I and I always was like like these are the same girls that didn't even know I was in the around before.
Speaker 2:And I I would always make sure when I was working at our events I would find the most kind of standoffish guys, like maybe, like not. You can tell they're not comfortable in a nightclub or not.
Speaker 2:They're there but they don't know what to do or whatever, and I'll just grab them and be like hey, come with me, let me get you a drink, I'll bring them to the vip and like bring them, introduce them to girls or just make them have the funnest night, and I'll be like anytime you come out, just hit me up. And I got you and it was like those people that became close to me because they felt that I brought some fun into their life and I and I treated them like how they would want to be treated, because when I was that person, nobody did that to me.
Speaker 2:So it's like I'm gonna let you guys have the time of your life and and just let you have some fun, because I know how it feels to be that nerd dork on the side where, like, nobody's like trying to talk to and like it's like, oh, I wish somebody would come talk to me or whatever, and I I would, yeah, always go out of my way to do that and and it's like you said, like you don't care if they're whatever, I'm gonna be friends with everybody. Has that ever backfired at on you, though? Because, um, of how you look, the way you do now, people might take that, um, niceness as like in a different way, and then has it backfired, you know? I mean, yeah, I want to shout out our sponsor, medicinal mushrooms hawaii. They're a locally based medicinal mushroom store. They have everything you need.
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Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's so funny because that's like one of the big things I got to work on now is because I'm like not used to like that attention or like for me, growing up, right same thing like every guy who was in my life was strictly like homie, like you're a bro, you know yeah yeah, like, I don't, like I don't look at you that way.
Speaker 1:And if I do, like, I know you're not looking at me that way, so I'm not gonna, you know, do anything about it.
Speaker 1:Um, and so it's weird now because throughout my journey, yes, I physically look a lot different, like you know, but my personality never changed and so that's why it's a little hard now, because I am so bubbly, I am so friendly and especially, like you said, like you're so thoughtful, you're so like you know you'll go up to anybody who seems like they're awkward, at the club or whatever, because you know what it's like to be that person.
Speaker 1:So for me, like, that's why I'm so like outgoing, and I talk to everybody and I make sure everyone's okay around me. And it does backfire sometimes because, looking the way I look now and and having that personality, oh oh, everybody, like I think, thinks I flirt with them, you know, and I'm just like, and all of my friends like, if that happens, they're just like, no, like, trust me, this is just her, like she ain't flirting with you. You just like, she really just is bubbly and loud, you know, but it's, it's, I wouldn't say it backfired on me. I mean it does when people get the wrong idea right, but it's, I don't know, it's still so, like, like even though I've been.
Speaker 1:I've looked this way for two years now.
Speaker 1:It's still new, right, since, like, I spent the past 20 years looking the way I did or whatever, and then it's only these two years I'm like this.
Speaker 1:So it is, even though it's been two years, it's still very new for me and so I don't know, I'm still navigating that one like when people like honestly I'm like, oh, I don't know, it backfires on me, but I'm so like the kind I'm so addicted like when.
Speaker 1:Like when guys like tell me they like me or something, it's funny because I think growing up, because I never got that like kind of attention, when someone flirts back with me and this is kind of my red flag, like I'm just out myself, um, like when, when someone flirts with me, I don't catch on, like like I I don't and and this is like so silly but I really don't like you could be full-on like flirting with me at the bar or whatever at the gym, and I think because I've never had guys do that to me growing up, like I always thought they're just being nice or they're being friends. So there's been a lot of times where it's backfired on me, where guys are like flirting with me and I think in their brain they're like very obviously flirting and to me I'm just like oh, he's just being nice, like okay, bye, nice meeting you have a good day, you know every time, every time.
Speaker 1:That's funny. Yeah, I'm still navigating that one well, I think it's.
Speaker 2:It's. Yeah, I guess you gotta I. I like the fact that, um, how you look now didn't change your personality, because, I mean, I've been around like the super hot girls and I know how most of them act. I know and I'm not saying it in a bad way but a lot of them are very superficial or very entitled and, especially in the industry that I've been in, is very fake and all about themselves, so that I think that's the difference with you is that you're you're the same person you always been, and I think that's what makes you even more attractive because of who you are. And I don't know, maybe things might be different In the future If people try to take advantage Of your niceness, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:They better not yeah.
Speaker 2:But I noticed One of your posts which I thought was super cool and I do know that you like to take pictures. You like to not show off, but show that you're comfortable with who you are and fuck, I seen that one video is like oh, I worked hard for the body that I'm in and it's not a thirst trap, oh, the one I recently yeah Said.
Speaker 2:I'm not a thirst trap and I was looking. I recently, yeah, said I'm not a thirst trap and I was looking at that. I'm like that's for you, like you're doing that for you and it can inspire other people. But it doesn't mean like, oh, I'm some Instagram model kind of showing off Like it's more like I've achieved this and now I want to be able to show it. I don't know, for some reason, it resonated with me in a way where I was like that's fucking cool. I definitely respect that a lot more than those girls, those Instagram models, that just make any kind of thing it's like and they'll put some stupid caption underneath it and it doesn't even make sense, and I'm like, wow, that that kind of. That kind of made me think like the. The mindset that you're in doing your social media is kind of more solid than most of the girls that I come in contact with I thought it was really cool uh, thanks, I thanks, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I actually really liked that one I just posted to, honestly, because I think a lot of people, like after I lost the weight, they're like, oh, you're so confident now. Or oh, like you show off now and I, as nice as I am, I always like to say I'm the nicest asshole you'll ever meet. Like, like, like I am nice, but I'm gonna keep it real, you know, and I always tell people like I know, like if you didn't know that I used to be bigger, you didn't know my story, like, of course it's gonna look like, okay, she's just showing off or whatever. But I think, because, like I know where I came from, right, and never feeling maybe as confident to post what I wanted to or whatever, it is now that I worked my ass off, right, I did ABC, whatever to get there. Like, of course I'm gonna show it off and not in like a oh, I'm better than you, wade.
Speaker 1:No, but for me, just like I'm proud of myself, you know, and I think I think it's, it's like you said, it's a. It's a little different for me because I didn't grow up looking this way. I didn't, I wasn't just, you know what I mean Like always had a smaller body. I didn't always have, you know, know, the looks that I have now. So that's why, like, when I do post it's, it's like I feel like I'm making little me proud in a way, you know, or like me, I I'm making like me three years ago at my heaviest, so proud and, and truthfully, I, I owe all of it and like everything that's coming way, all of the good, like, all, whatever the way I look now, I owe that all to, not me now, but I owe that to me three years ago.
Speaker 1:You know, the big girl who didn't get attention, the girl who didn't like people didn't care about, Right, that's who I fucking owe all the kudos to. Not this version now, but I think that's why I do post a lot of those kinds of pictures and I do like flaunt a little more than I probably should, because I'm like you know, I fucking worked my ass off for this and if you want to think, like if guys want to think or girls want to think, oh, like, she's just like every other Instagram model or she just, you know, like they can think what they want, shit. But I know and you know the real ones who were in my life, the people who are in my gym community, who saw me busting my ass, like they know otherwise, and that's, that's all I need and that's all I care about, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one thing I thought was super funny and like this is just my own thing is I'll see you and taylor post something on instagram from the gym and it's some fierce ass pose or like cool, looking like model, kind shit. But I'll be in the gym watching you guys film each other and you guys are goofy, silly, fucking, laughing like and it's it looks fun, looks like you guys are having fun.
Speaker 2:but the end product if I didn't see the during I would be like oh, these girls are just fucking doing the instagram thing but it's like you guys are so silly, having fun with it and laughing and it's um, it's kind of refreshing to see and I hope, like most girls are like that, that are doing it in the gym, Cause, like some of the stuff is like I've, like I said, I seen girls come in their Lululemon like lift up a five pound dumbbell, take a picture and and out, and I'm just like Lift up a five-pound dumbbell, take a picture and out, and I'm just like that was just for the gram, that was just fucking lame. But you and Taylor, you guys work.
Speaker 1:I love her.
Speaker 2:You guys work. I love her and you guys do work. You guys work out hard and that's cool to see. I feel like your guys' social media could be depicted in a different way if people don't know you. You know what I mean Say I never met you.
Speaker 2:I've seen your social media, I'd have been like oh, she's an Instagram model, you know what I mean. But knowing your backstory, that changes everything and the things that you're posting. Once you actually read it and understand, then it's like, oh, there's a lot more depth to it than just I'm taking a picture at the club or on the beach or whatever it is, or it. I feel like the. The way you're handling social media is a lot more in depth and it has a lot more character than most I appreciate that.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm trying to. That's really what I'm trying to push out like for me. Actually, a lot of people don't know I actually started posting like weight loss things a long time before my instagram. Um, I post on tiktok and um, for I posted, I posted on TikTok for a long time and then I I never like I originally I had like a fitness Instagram account, like private, a separate for my main right Cause I'm like, okay, my main account, my main account, is going to be for posting all the cute pictures and then my fitness accounts just for the fitness and, you know, the weight loss, whatever.
Speaker 1:And then, honestly, it was a lot of good people in my life, especially like Taylor, my best friend, um, who really gave me like that push. Like you know, you should not be ashamed of where you came from, because that's who made you who you are now. And I had a lot of great people in my life to tell me that like and true, like. At the end of the day, like if I do post on my main, my main feed, like that first time I ever posted that I used to be bigger like on my main page, right, um, it was so stressful. It was so nerve-wracking. I was like, oh my gosh, like, like, ah, like I don't want people to know I used to be big.
Speaker 1:But then I think about it and I like I'm over here like promoting self-love and love yourself and all that you know all that shit, and I'm like I can't truly be a promoter for self-love if I'm still over here hating who I was three years ago. Because, truthfully, like, when you love yourself, like truly love yourself, you need to love yourself and all of your different stages, whether it was a good stage for you or a fucked up stage for you. Like every stage has its like importance and I think it's so important to love every version of it. And so that's why now, like I got rid of that fitness page on Instagram and I just started moving everything into the main, like I'm like you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna post what I want. I'm gonna say what I want. Like I'm gonna post the cute sexy pictures that I want. I'm going to post the cute sexy pictures that I want. I'm going to post the cute like weight loss videos where there's pictures of me where I am 100 pounds bigger. Like I'll post.
Speaker 1:Like I want to do more talking, things like this Like you know, like and I'm so grateful that I had great people in my life to kind of remind me, like, remember, like that at the end of the day too, like if someone judges you for it, or someone judges you for being bigger, why would you want them in your life anyway? Right, and I, and I believe that, like, the people who are meant to be in your life will be in your life and the people who aren't meant to be won't be and you won't, you should never have to ask someone to be in your life, like what I mean it'll just happen when you just be yourself, like the right ones come when you're yourself and the right ones leave when you're yourself yeah, I I def.
Speaker 2:That definitely resonates with me. I know a lot of who I am is because of the dumb shit I used to do. Or I think jelly roll has a song something about the sins of my past made me who I am. So I have like a love hate relationship with that person. It's like I hated the things I did but honestly, because I did those things it made me who I am now and I love the person that I am now. But I can't hate that guy because if it wasn't for that guy I wouldn't be this guy. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like kind of similar, yeah, yeah, super cool, and it seems like you have a great support system, and I think that matters, especially when you're trying to change your life for the better. It's going to have trials and tribulations, so when you have that person to lean on or people to lean on, that that's always.
Speaker 1:That's always awesome, and I'm sure you're the same for your friends or your family, like you're that person that people can lean on as well yeah, I try to be, because I I've, like you, like I've been very blessed to have that Like I have a great family and super supportive family.
Speaker 1:I have the best friends you know, and so I feel like they're like maybe about a year ago, like you know, I told you like with the weight loss there's so much mental Like I fell into depression at my smallest and fell into all of these things and I spent like every night crying and like my loose skin Right, and to me that was such a big thing Like oh my gosh, like I'm stuck.
Speaker 1:I did all this work and I'm stuck in a shell of my old body, like it's. It's really hard to accept and I'm just so grateful Like I had the best like community around me family, friends, gym, community, you know cause I would not have gotten out of that hard place without them and that's why I'm like I want to give back too, because I have been so blessed to have that in my life that you know that I try to be like that for everyone, even strangers. Like I try to care deeply for just everyone. You know, yeah, that I try to be like that for everyone, even strangers. Like I try to care deeply for just everyone you know.
Speaker 2:I think that's super cool. I did notice one of your posts which I read and I kind of felt the same was the you put it was propaganda bullshit when it comes to diet, like oh, if you, if you do this certain way, this is what happens. And it was a post where you you said it was like propaganda that people try to sell you on. I guess.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, I remember that one. Um. So that was going back to like the very start of my weight loss journey. Remember, I told you like the first thing people do when they start their weight loss is like, oh, I'm gonna cut carbs or whatever. It is, um, that I all of the things that I had listed, like cutting carbs or restricting yourself or, um, feeling guilty for missing a workout. Like I did all of that, right, like in the beginning, like I cut out all my carbs. And, yeah, like cutting out carbs, like you'll lose weight, but the only reason you're losing weight is because you're in a calorie deficit. Carbs typically have the most calories for an amount of it, right?
Speaker 1:yeah so you're just in a calorie deficit. That's the only reason like you can lose weight eating mcdonald's every day yeah hopefully know, as you just got to be in that caloric deficit and so in the beginning I cut out carbs. But you know, if you know me like fuck I gotta eat my rice. You know I love my rice, I love my bread, like I love carbs. Everyone likes carbs. The fuck like yeah.
Speaker 1:And so I'm like I can't, I can't do that, and so I basically like learned everything is about balance. Right, you still treat yourself. You still got to live your life. I think that's why I got so sad after I lost the weight is because everything that I did was to keep the weight off.
Speaker 1:Everything I did was to lose the weight, and then I realized that's not living my life, like I'm a prisoner to to my, my health, which is like I felt like a prisoner to my health when I was at my biggest, and then it's funny because I felt even more like a prisoner when I was at my smallest and and it's so mentally weird. But now I'm finally at a good spot where I'm like it's so mentally weird, but now I'm finally at a good spot where I'm like, you know, one day, like and that's why I don't track anymore at all Like I, because I tracked for so long I like I know what what it looks like to eat when I did track. So basically I just eat all the same things. Just I don't weigh it out. But me now it's like if I want a donut and it's eight in the morning, like okay, I'm going to treat myself to a donut. Do I do this every damn day? No, like that's very rare.
Speaker 1:Right, but it's like I still am not going to say no, because you can only say no forever. Right, like you said, like you were, like you mentioned that you were on the carnivore Right and then you wanted like whatever, you wanted something sweet. But then you're like, oh, you're going to mess up your ketosis. And when you restrict yourself, your brain like as humans, like we want what we can't have.
Speaker 2:Right. So if you, if you tell yourself like, especially me.
Speaker 1:I'm so hard head that's my parents. I'm stubborn as hell.
Speaker 2:So it's like you tell me I can't have something.
Speaker 1:I really want it. So it's like in the beginning of my weight loss I was like, hey, you can't have carbs, can't do this. And then I would end up just like binge eating it, like on the weekends, like I would be eating a whole fucking tub of ice cream. And then I'm like, oh my God, I feel so gross, got to throw up. And then you feel like, oh, I just why didn't I just eat a small bowl of ice cream every other day this week? You know what I mean? That would have been less than the whole damn tub.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
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Speaker 2:So I do like the videos you're posting like kind of more of your personality, especially like on your live stories and stuff, or like you're shopping or you're putting yourself out there in a way where people are getting to know the real you, which I think is super cool because sometimes it won't be depicted on your social media just from the pictures. You know what I mean, and there was one I think you were driving and you're like, oh, you're in a bad mood or angry. It's like, don't cut me off. You know what I mean. It's just showing the you. I think a lot of people will start to relate to you as a person, versus just you as pictures on Instagram.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's why, like that one video I posted that was me ranting. Oh, I was so pissed because I had just quit nicotine.
Speaker 2:Oh you smoked. Oh nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh my gosh, I literally have been smoking consistently or heavy for the past, like seven years, 16 years, oh shit, like cigarettes or the fucking oh, no, no no like you know, I love dabbling in the grass, if you know what I mean and oh yeah and uh, vape and the vape, oh god the vape.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I have, um, an upcoming surgery, uh, for my skin. Actually, I finally saved enough for that and so I'm getting that surgery done soon. So I need to like quit the nicotine and all that um, and I was, I was driving that day and I was just like, oh my god, like you could be 95 and if you cut me off, I'm re-ending your ass. I am not in a mood today, you know, but I I just post dumb shit like that because I'm like, truthfully, I feel like for me, social media it it's like, like I said earlier, it's like such a great thing to have, like that. We have right, it can be so good, but it can also be so damaging.
Speaker 1:And, yeah, I, I've seen both sides where I've been so damaged from social media, like comparing myself to other women online that you know have never been through a huge weight loss journey, and I'm like, oh my gosh, I wish I had that body, like they don't have any loose skin, they don't have this whatever.
Speaker 1:And I've also seen the beautiful side of it, where it's like I met some of my great friends who are also influencers that would have never met if it wasn't for social media. Like they're in like california, they're in texas, like wherever you know, um. And so that's why I try my hardest to yeah, I still post the cute pictures and that I like that you know are at a posed angle or whatever, but I still want to post that real content because I think social media is just it's such a highlight reel, it's such a yeah it's so just superficial, right, everyone is I mean, of course, you're not gonna post like if you just went through a breakup, like you're not gonna be, like hey guys, I'm actually so depressed right now, like let me post about this.
Speaker 1:Like no, you know, you, you go through a breakup. You're probably gonna post like hey guys, I'm in the Bahamas right now. Or like I'm living my life, I'm at the club. Like nobody wants to be seen as less than, especially not on social media.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And so that's why I think I just want to be like a breath of fresh air. It's, it's. It gets tiring and it gets boring seeing the same perfect, like edited bullshit, you know.
Speaker 1:Yep, I agree, it's like 100 percent% and it's like that's not real life, like yeah you know, and I just want to bring a little, just a little bit more of real life into social media, right, and that's what I'm trying to do, especially for people who are on a weight loss journey, who are trying to get on a weight loss journey or have been through one, or just struggle with, like body image or you know things like that, like that's what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 2:At least you're real with it, and I think that's what will resonate with people. I mean, I've you're. You're right, though social media can be so fake trust. I met a lot of girls where they'll come into the club, I'm so, and so I'm her on. So on instagram, I'm like that is not you literally. I don't know how many angles or filters you're using, but that's fucked up. Like you're just. You're just lying, like even you. You play music on your social media and to me that's super cool.
Speaker 2:It shows a different side of you. You know, I mean like, and that must be scary to do. Also, that's kind of putting yourself out there oh yeah, like um.
Speaker 1:It's funny because I'm like so passionate about fitness and health, but my first passion was actually music. My first job ever was I was actually an ukulele teacher for, you know, roy Sakuma's ukulele studio, yeah, so I was a teacher for them.
Speaker 1:That was my first job, like I was, I started in seventh grade and then, when I was in like eighth grade or ninth grade, they had asked like, hey, we want to train you. Like you know, like personality, you're good at ukulele, like can we train you? So I started training under roy and then that was my first job. When I was 15, I was a ukulele teacher and I've always loved like singing, performing, but I also it's hard to believe like I used to be very shy actually growing up- really which is crazy because, like right, everyone's like you like fucking loud as hell.
Speaker 2:You're shy.
Speaker 1:I used to be like shy, like I wouldn't sing in front of people, I wouldn't whatever. And then I don't know what clicked like something just clicked like, especially when I was going through, like the weight loss journey. Like I I mean, I was already coming out of my shell before I had lost the weight. Like I performed a couple of times at weddings or whatever, like gigs, you know, and so I was coming out of my shell more.
Speaker 1:But it's funny, because when I was losing the weight, whatever, and like I told you it's such a mental thing, right, you really got to like it's a whole different side of like I had to find self-love in myself, right, and I just something clicked in my brain and I was like fuck, life's too short to not just do what you want to do, say what you want to say, like, be who you want to be. Because at the end of the day, like you know, I'm going to say it might not be the best, best fucking voice. Like it might not, I might mess up, like, but it makes me happy, like it's something that brings me joy, like I'm gonna share. And if you don't like it, it takes one fucking second to scroll, so use your finger that god gave you and scroll, you know that's the way to think.
Speaker 2:I wanted to know and I always ask this question because I've experienced it is have you gotten hate on social media?
Speaker 1:not, okay, not on my instagram, um, on my tiktok, actually, and it only happened about like maybe two times. Um, it was so weird. It's like my first time experiencing like hate. Um, it was just like a random troll bot, whatever. Um, I had posted a video and this was like over a year ago I had posted um like oh, what was it I was talking about?
Speaker 1:Like, I think it was a video I posted and it was like oh, it was an old picture of me and it was like oh, unhealthy and or, um, it was sad and unhealthy, or unhealthy and sad or unhealthy and depressed, right, and it was like an old picture of me being bigger. And then it flipped to me now and it was like, oh, happy and healthy, right, and someone had commented on it and it did pretty good. Like you know, it got a lot of like, views, whatever, and so, and someone commented like someone I don't know had commented on it and it was like oh, so just because you lost, like just because you lost the weight, means you're happy now? Like, that's like fucked up. Like, why weren't you happy before? Like you know, just like making random comments, like I've never really truly gotten, like, I mean people have made comments like oh you think you're all that or whatever.
Speaker 1:But honestly, growing up the way I grew up, like especially with my family, they're crazy as hell um and like and like growing up bigger, like I grew up, having such thick skin you know, and I think so. It's like I probably definitely got a lot more hate than I I'm.
Speaker 2:I realize like in my brain I'm like. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:In my brain I'm like ah, but like to other people. If, like other people had gotten that comment, they'd be like oh my god.
Speaker 2:But for me.
Speaker 1:I'm just like whatever you know yeah, that's.
Speaker 2:That's a good way to look at it, yeah yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I I think my dad for my thick skin.
Speaker 2:That's for sure that's super good, that's super cool and I feel like you're a very strong person and I definitely wanted you here. So maybe inspire some other people. What advice would you give someone who is trying to change not just their, their weight or whatever, but just change anything in their life, like what advice could you give them from your experience? Could you give them from your?
Speaker 1:experience, I would probably just say that do it. Do it out of love for yourself. Learn from my mistake. Don't. Don't do it because you hate yourself. Don't do it because you think that you're magically going to love yourself when you lose the weight. You know cause you're not.
Speaker 1:Um, and truthfully, like what, if you do want to start a weight loss journey or whatever, make sure you're doing it for yourself, right, yeah, um, don't lose the weight because you think your partner needs to lose the weight. Don't lose the weight because you think people are going to be nicer to you or that's the only reason why. You know what I mean. Like if that's the only reason why, like you have to have your, why has to be strong, like it cannot just be oh, I want to lose weight because I want more male attention or whatever. And you know what For some people.
Speaker 1:Like, if that is your reason, like period, okay, like I don't judge you. You like, if that's your reason, that's cool, but it's going to be a much harder to stick to your goals if it's not something with more sustenance. Like you know, like pouring into yourself, like love yourself and you want to show yourself like that. You know, like, like for me, like my big. Why was like? Well, I want to lose weight because I want to feel one comfortable on my skin. I want to respect my body, I want to pour love into my body and and in ways that I never did like, give it movement, give it fuel and like all these things right, because I want to practice self-love and that's one huge form of self-love and I think, just do it out of like loving yourself, you know that's super awesome, that's my thing, and don't give up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, be consistent. Yeah, I definitely gonna have my daughter watch this, this episode, for sure. I think, um a strong, I always want her to be a strong, or grow up to be a strong woman, and I need her to hear and understand how it is to be a strong woman. And I think you're a great example and definitely something I would want for my daughter to have, like that kind of mentality and be silly in the same, like she's silly, but I definitely want her to be a strong person and, like you said, thick-skinned and I and I I feel like she could sometimes I could tell her a million things and it'll go overhead or she could see someone like you talking and it's the same thing and it'll stick. So, yeah, I think, uh, you're a great example and, yeah, I'm stoked that you came on my show. I wanted to ask you also I seen it on one of your posts is those stupid little fuzzy, labubu things? Oh see, you got them. I knew you had them. That looks like something you would wear too.
Speaker 1:Right, I'm like. This literally looks like an outfit I would wear. Yeah, but it's actually a secret, it's actually a La Fufu. She's not real, it's a fake one.
Speaker 2:Oh, so there's two late kind.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a La Fufu. And then there's a La Fufu the ones that are fake and I'm like, oh my god, I don't want to spend 70 on a real one.
Speaker 2:So perfect but she's still cute though that's awesome, because my daughter was telling me she wanted one for her bag. I'm like, oh, okay, thinking they're gonna be like five bucks. They're like, oh, 65. I'm like, fuck that for that thing right there's no way I'm buying that for 65 dollars better go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you've been. Yeah, I had a hard time paying even 20 for the fake one.
Speaker 2:I was like fuck, like having over my 20 bell okay, that makes more sense to me that I was like I don't get those things. I don't know how they're cool, I don't know why people are obsessed with them. And yeah, my daughter was asking for one and I was totally down. I was thinking they're like five I was like I can win one of those things at the mall with the yeah, it was 75 bucks for that thing.
Speaker 2:I'm like what is the? I don't know? But one of my friends, his um, he's in, he's into collecting shoes and all that and now he's doing that and yeah, there's no way. I I feel like that fad might change, like it'll go away, and then everybody who spent all that money is gonna be stuck with some silly stuff animal that's worth like $5.
Speaker 1:Right, exactly that's why I was like, fuck, I'm not going to buy a real one, because watch, that's exactly what I said. I was like in a year from now, no one's going to give a shit about a little boo-boo, you know. So I'm like I'm just going to get the fake one. It's cute, you know.
Speaker 2:All right, I'm definitely letting my daughter watch this episode, yeah.
Speaker 1:Tell her girl get you a LaFufu Because trust me, the $7 will be worth it. Can you tell the difference? I can shit and I think, like, if you're far enough, like I don't know, I guess, like for those people who are like super into the Labubus, I guess they can tell because they're like, oh, it has 12T instead of 10. But to a normal person, no one's going to give a shit, you know. Still cute, like I don't give a shit, it's still cute.
Speaker 2:That's awesome. Well, we've been going for a while and I appreciate you taking time out of your day to come on my show.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, social media wise, where can people find you on Instagram and stuff?
Speaker 1:My tag for like everything is MacyOnalicious. It's M-A-C-I dot Onalicious.
Speaker 2:Right on. And for us it's always Above the Bridge. Podcast on Instagram, YouTube atbpodcom is our website and my Instagram is thaddydaddyhi. Well, I could probably talk story with you for another three hours.
Speaker 1:Right, me too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're good people and, um, I think you're gonna motivate a lot, of, a lot of girls, honestly, and I think you're a great example and I think you know that. I think that's why you're doing what you're doing and you, you're getting it out there and I was blown away when I first seen that picture or that video. I had no idea, like zero clue, not a clue, because I always see you pounding weights and working out. I just figured your whole life. You was like that you know what I mean, like a fitness, and I was like that video I thought you posted of somebody else, and then I seen your face and your smile. I'm like, oh, that's her. I'm like, holy shit, that's her.
Speaker 2:I was like what I was, yeah and and oh, thank you dad, yeah, the example you're showing I think can inspire and that's the hugest reason why I wanted you on the show. And, um, hopefully one young macy out there watches this show randomly and it changes her stars and I think that's pretty much yeah, that's pretty much the goal that you want? Anyways, um shakas for the cameras, we're out. Shout out to the Artist Group Network Aloha, thank you.
